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Marten
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Interesting situation there with the GoW.

I haven't commented previously on the multi-account discussion, but as someone with a little bit of security knowledge, I know that many security experts consider multi-user accounts to be a hazard, and such accounts are discouraged or forbidden by many sites.  Even with IP address tracing, a multi-user account creates a situation of partial anonymity where it can be difficult to trace problems to a specific user.  Furthermore, many people make a common mistake, and develop trust in another person that later turns out to be misgiven.  Even trust among a group of very good friends doesn't totally guarantee that one member may not later cause problems.

Honestly, I think if you would not share your bank account with a person, you really shouldn't trust sharing any sort of account with that person - because an account is part of your identity and anyone you share it with can tarnish it or abuse it.  Just the creation of an account at a website involves some trust - I'm trusting the Guild of Messengers site with a portion of my identity, and I'm trusting the Guild of Writers with a portion of my identity.  But at every site, I use a different password, to limit the potential harm in case some administrator with access to one of those accounts decides to abuse my trust.  I'm not saying that I distrust Leonardo, or Shimmerillion, or semplerfi, or Hoikas... as individuals I trust each of them.  But as a group, I actually have less confidence that all of them can be 100% trustworthy - because when you've extended access to your identity to a great number of people, eventually you'll extend it to someone you'll later wish you didn't, and there's no way of predicting where or when the breakdown of trust will occur, it just does.

Bottom line, in case the above was TL;DR, is that I don't think it's fair to say "Blame what happened with the CCN account" for the GoW policy.  It's just a smart security policy to not allow group accounts, regardless of what happened, and if the GoW hadn't experienced a problem with the CCN account, given enough time, enough group accounts, and enough persons with a less than firm grip on reality, it's simply inevitable that they'd experience the exact same problem with some other group account.  So - good policy, it is a little bit limiting but we were never guaranteed such freedom.

PS:  Cyan's prohibition of multiple forum accounts per user at the Myst Online forum is in Rule V, here: http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20958 .  The rule against multiple accounts implicitly rules out group accounts (a group account would be a second account for multiple users, and would thus break the rule multiple times).

PPS: I am not being a hypocrite, in consideration of my previous suggestion that we have a group "Guild of Messengers" avatar within Myst Online.  I'm fairly certain that I said such an account would need to be cleared with Cyan, and I'm absolutely certain that I said such an account would be limited to a VERY small number of people with HIGH trust in each other.  I recommend the same precaution be applied at forum sites where a group account is permitted - and I recommend that each site not use the same password or any sort of guessable pattern (the 3 or so persons with access to the group accounts would need to keep a password list).  Would that be a hassle?  Yes.  Is it worth it?  I can't answer that for the group.  Just, please consider the potential damage if just one administrator at one site decided to log into the GoMe account at all the other forums using the same credentials, and posted nasty things under the GoMe name.

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Just, please consider the potential damage if just one administrator at one site decided to log into the GoMe account at all the other forums using the same credentials, and posted nasty things under the GoMe name.

But this is a problem for single users too, not just for a group.

A group account from ths point of view is not a very good solution, this is why usually group accounts aren't used. But I can't think of any other good way for having a shared access to the forums for posting News

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Yeah I get where poeple are comimg from I just hoped we had proved ourselves trust worthy. Anyway it is a mute point and I think we should leave it as it stands. Use our own accounts like we did in the past. I won't be posting anything under the GoMe username at all. It would have been ok if all the sites accepted this but as it is only half on the forums have accepted the new account. To much hassle doing some foor one username and the rest with another.  Good Idea while it lasted and still is, shame others outside this forum think otherwise. Mind you what I did I expect LOL.

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There are other solutions, but they are complicated and technological in varying ways.

The best approach, in my opinion, is to encourage the adoption of the RSS feed.  If sites can pull content from the RSS feed and incorporate it into their forums, then the process can be automated.  We can only make the process easy up to a point, though, and the rest has to be done by the sites themselves.

I'd recommend talking to chucker, who runs MystCommunity .  Right away if you link there you'll see under News, there are two forums specially dedicated to the automatic collection of news ( Myst Headlines ) and blogs ( Myst & Uru Blogs ).  You'll see that our own RSS feed gets incorporated into Myst Headlines (run by Blade Lakem) and then gets posted to MystCommunity daily.  This automated technology brings a lot of value to the site in my opinion.  It would be great if chucker would agree to write a tutorial on how to set up this sort of technology.  If the technology needs to be adapted for other forums (MystCommunity uses IPBoard, the only other I know of that uses that is UruObsession), then the next step would be to look into that (how can it work with Drupal, phpBB, SMF, and anything else that's popular right now?).

An ideal solution would even allow community sites to only scrape RSS content matching tags that they care about.

For every site we could get to adopt something like this, it would mean:

* increased purpose/value for the RSS feed
* a more comprehensive and consistent reach to the community
* less work for us (bonus!)

Thoughts?

Szark
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I agree Marten getting all the sites on board using the RSS feed is a great idea. Maybe we should try AGAIN to tempt them to do such a thing. I tried a year or so ago and it fell on deaf ears. Maybe now they might be more responsive.

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Yes this seems to be the best solution if we can convince the major Myst Forums and site to incorporate it.

They have a few choices too:

they can directly include our feed. (with the update they will be able to include only news with the tags they're interested into)

or they can include the Myst Headlines (from MystEmbassy) which already includes our Feed with others from other guilds (as GoG)

I'm pretty sure that many of the current Forum Systems have some plugins to allow incorporating external Feeds into their contents.

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It may be that the forum softwares already support this, but I think we'd have a better experience in encouraging adoption of this if we research it ourselves and can show sites how to set it up.  I think for a lot of forum sites, someone sets up the software, and they look for a skin to apply to the site and maybe customize it just a little, but I'm not certain anyone ever looks beyond that.  Also, features tend to only get added to a site if the users of that site are asking for it.

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Well I wouldn't have a clue how to set up a RSS feed but yes the idea is a sound one Marten. Then they don't have any excuses. LOL

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I have made a bit of searching.

Drupal has native support for importing Feeds, but not directly in the forum. (it imports how we do with the MystOnline Feed on the front page). But is has some modules able to replicate the behaviour we want.

PhpBB doesn't have a  native support, it has a good module for importing RSS Feeds for Phpbb version 2, but there is only a Dev version for phpbb version 3

vBulletting should have this feature already in the basic installation.

IPBoard has a mod for adding RSS streams

SMF seems to have more than one mod for importing Feeds. Here is one

I can't find of any other Forum system.

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Ok time to get a moving on a few things I have ignored lately.

Not sure it any of you noticed that I posted something for OHB on the main page but I also posted it on the sites on my list, plus some that are covered by others. Sorry about that. Anyways I still think this is a good idea to do. If it concerns the bigger community as a whole then lets post it everywhere.

I would love to be able to understand how this RSS feed is hooked up to various types of Forums then I could, one by one approach them regarding hooking up. This time I could say "I can help if you don't know how". I think this would be the only way this is ever going to get done. I do see some not doing so as it might be done to a trust issue. You now us evil guilds trying to take over. ROFLOL

 

Saying that I am unsure I have the skills to understand  this seamly simple process. Every time I read something about this I get really confused. Not having any experience with website development is making this harder for me to understand. At this point I am at a lost as to what to do next to move this along.

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Plus I used my own account to post OHB's direct request. I think, due to some not allowing multpile account posting, I am going to forget about this great idea.

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The fact is that it is not easy at all XD

Importing RSS items in a forum, usually, is not a function that forums already have. The adminisrator of the forum has to add the code for that, or downloading, or enabling it.

Each single ForumSystem has its way of doing things, I have posted above some solutions I have found for some Forum Systems, some of the solutions involve actually opening the codes of the forum and changing them. Some other systems are more smart (LOL) and they allow the adminisrator to just download the "RSS posting" function in the server folders and it automatically deals with it.

The main problem is that many of our community's forums use phpBB and I don't know of any stable way of importing RSSFeeds with that system, not with the lastest version of the forum anyway (MOUL Forums use that system too but they are using an old version, phpBB2, and this version has a stable way of importing our feed). I have a forum that uses phpBB...I'll test the "development" modules and see if they are stable enough to be used.

Szark, if you want you can approach the admins of the forums and propose them the idea of adding "RSS Importing" functionality on their forums. Then based on the various system I may be able the help them to set it up.

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Nice explanation Leo that is a big help, cheers.

Ok give me some time and I will make a startf contacting some people. I will only contact a couple at a time and then move on done the list.

 

Thanks for the great help Leo and for the offer. This I can see being a long project as I don't want to over burden you with too many sites to deal with at once. I am sure you let us know how your tests came. Please don't rush on this but it sure would be nice to get as many as we can connected considering Rands latest comments incavern yesterday http://mystonline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=22166

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I have contacted Moose, at the TCT Forums, since they use PhpBB Board and they have a working RSS Autoposting Bot.

He gently gave me the link to the plugin they use for that bot: http://www.startrekguide.com/community/mods/index.php?i=main&mode=detail...

it was designed for an older version of phpBB but it works on the lastest too, as we can see from the TCT Forum.

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Nice Leo. Sorry I haven't done anything about this as I felt with the lack of interest out there I wol wait until thing perked up but saying that we could make a start.

I take it that this is just for PhpBB and that any PhpBB site will be able to use this??

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yes. It seems that plugin can be used with the new phpBB as well as on the old versions.

For other types of boards, there should be a post of mine above xD

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updated list:

1- After Uru Forum (German) http://afteruru.forumakers.com/index.htm Szark can post in the messenger sub forum, if anyone is interested in posting news here, contact a mod to gain access there too.(at least, that is what I assume)
2 - Alcugs http://forum.almlys.org/index.php
3 - Amber Horizons http://www.uru-amber-horizons.com/index.php 
5 - Cavern Communications Network (CCN) http://www.caverncommunicationsnetwork.com/central/index.php
6 - DMC: DutchMystCommunity http://www.dutchmystcommunity.com/forum
10 - DPWR.NET http://www.dpwr.net/forums/index.php
11 - DRC Site Forum http://forums.drcsite.org/
12 - Explorers of Mystic Cultures (German) http://emc.rotering-net.de/
13 - Fakultät für Forschung und Abenteuer Foren-Übersicht (German) http://ffa-forum.de/index.php
14 - Foros de esD'ni (Spanish) http://www.coolwind.ws/esdni/foro/
16 - German Real Life (German) http://www.uru-reallife.com/
18 - Guild of Greeters http://forums.guildofgreeters.com/index.php
19 - Guild of Healers http://guildofhealers.net/ (has a messenger section, contact mod when interested to post there)
20 - Guild of Maintainers http://www.guildofmaintainers.org/index.php
21 - Guild of Writers http://forum.guildofwriters.com/
22 - H'Uru http://www.huru.info/Forum/viewforum.php?f=1
23 - MOUL Uru Live Forums (English, Dutch, French, German, Italian, and Spanish) http://www.mystonline.com/forums/index.php
24 - Myst Adventure (French) http://myst-aventure.com/forum
25 - Myst & URU Obsession Forums http://www.uruobsession.com/forum
27 - MystFriends (Dutch): http://www.mystfriends.nl/forum/
29 - Mystpedia http://www.mystpedia.net/forum
30 - Myst Universe (French) http://www.myst-universe.net/forums/index.php
31 - OpenUru.org http://forums.openuru.org/index.php|
33 - SOUP: Slacker's Open Uru Project Index http://slackersforum.servebeer.com/OpenSlackers/index.php
34 - The Cavern Today (TCT) Forums http://www.thecaverntoday.com/forum ... on your own risk
35 - The Great Tree Index http://www.thegreattree.com/bbs/
36 - The Meeting Place http://forum.webpanda.us/ (needs registration to enter the forum)


RSS feed(the magazine announcement didn't went through right last time (no link to download), so please check whether the news went through allright(5 seconds work ;) ):

7 - D'ni Jazz Club http://www.dnijazzclub.com/forum
26 - MystCommunity http://www.mystcommunity.com/board/

 
Either considered in coma(no posts in 2011) or not really important to distribute news to:
4 - Aurora: (Italian) http://uru.auroraproject.net/drupal/forum  (probably in coma)
8 - D'ni Linguistic Fellowship http://linguists.bahro.com/forums/index.php (not really in coma, but the discussion is focused on the D'ni language these days.)
9 - D'ni Zoological Society Website http://www.explorerslodge.org/forum/
15 - German Explorers (German) http://www.german-explorers.de/forum.php
17 - Grande Caverna Forum (Portuguese) http://www.grandecaverna.com/forum/ link is broken, unsure whether there is still a forum( my portugese isn't great)
32 - Relayer Corps: http://relayercorps.org/forums/index.php(doesn't exist anymore) 
37 - Ubisoft Myst Forum: (Italian) http://forums-it.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/931105785
 
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D'ni Jazz Club's forums are archived and not in use anymore.


But you don't need to post the news there anymore, I switched the news page to pull directly from the GoMe RSS feed.

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Tweek wrote:

D'ni Jazz Club's forums are archived and not in use anymore.


But you don't need to post the news there anymore, I switched the news page to pull directly from the GoMe RSS feed.

 

Thanks! 

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I have started contacting forum admins for including our Feed in their forums

EDIT:

Uru karaoke: Fully working! Importing our Feed!

OpenUru will try to implement it on a page of their website and not on the forum

GoMa: *unknown*

GoW: *unknown*

GoH: Ghaelen will do it in the future, in some weeks.

MystOnline.com: Chogon said "interesting but I have no time to update the website"

oh btw. Aurora (italian) is no longer used

Szark
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First off I would like to say sorry to Leo for not following up on this.

I have updated the first page to reflect some of the changes. My feeling is that some of these forums that are in a coma may come to life with the recent OS news. So I am thinking we shouldn't be too hastey in deleteing them.

 

Leo do you mean Aurora is no longer or that they don't use the Rss Feed?

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GoW was looking into using our feed but wasn't yet sure about which categories they wanted. At least that is the last I heard.

 

btw I called them "in coma" when there were no posts from 2011, I looked 4 days after the OS announcement.

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Yeah I don't think these sites will come back to life quickly, if at all. But I have a feeling that once we see new ages more activity might happen